Carrying concealed handguns; protective orders. (SB626)

Introduced By

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester)

Progress

Introduced
Passed Committee
Passed House
Passed Senate
Signed by Governor
Became Law

Description

Carrying concealed handguns; protective orders. Authorizes any person 21 years of age or older who is not prohibited from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm and is protected by an unexpired protective order to carry a concealed handgun for 45 days after the protective order was issued. The bill provides that if the person issued the protective order applies for a concealed handgun permit during such 45-day period, such person will be authorized to carry a concealed handgun for an additional 45 days and be given a copy of the certified application, which shall serve as a de facto concealed handgun permit. The bill requires such person to have the order or certified application and photo identification on his person when carrying a concealed handgun and to display them upon demand by a law-enforcement officer; failure to do so is punishable by a $25 civil penalty. Read the Bill »

Status

02/29/2016: Passed the General Assembly

History

DateAction
01/15/2016Presented and ordered printed 16104069D
01/15/2016Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
02/03/2016Reported from Courts of Justice (12-Y 3-N) (see vote tally)
02/04/2016Impact statement from DPB (SB626)
02/05/2016Constitutional reading dispensed (39-Y 0-N) (see vote tally)
02/08/2016Read second time and engrossed
02/09/2016Passed by temporarily
02/09/2016Read third time and passed Senate (32-Y 8-N) (see vote tally)
02/11/2016Placed on Calendar
02/11/2016Read first time
02/11/2016Referred to Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety
02/12/2016Assigned MPPS sub: #1
02/18/2016Subcommittee recommends reporting with amendment(s) (5-Y 0-N)
02/19/2016Reported from Militia, Police and Public Safety with amendment (16-Y 6-N) (see vote tally)
02/22/2016Read second time
02/23/2016Read third time
02/23/2016Committee amendment agreed to
02/23/2016Pending question ordered
02/23/2016Engrossed by House as amended
02/23/2016Passed House with amendment (69-Y 31-N)
02/23/2016VOTE: PASSAGE (69-Y 31-N) (see vote tally)
02/25/2016House amendment agreed to by Senate (34-Y 6-N) (see vote tally)
02/26/2016Enrolled
02/26/2016Bill text as passed Senate and House (SB626ER)
02/26/2016Impact statement from DPB (SB626ER)
02/26/2016Signed by Speaker
02/29/2016Signed by President
03/01/2016Enrolled Bill Communicated to Governor on 3/1/16
03/01/2016G Governor's Action Deadline Midnight, March 8, 2016
03/07/2016Governor's recommendation received by Senate
03/07/2016Governor's substitute printed 16106081D-S1
03/09/2016Passed by for the day
03/10/2016Passed by for the day
03/11/2016Senate rejected Governor's recommendation (11-Y 29-N) (see vote tally)
03/11/2016Motion to pass in enrolled form rejected (21-Y 19-N) (see vote tally)
03/11/2016Requires 2/3 affirmative votes of members voting to pass in enrolled form
03/11/2016Communicated to Governor

Video

This bill was discussed on the floor of the General Assembly. Below is all of the video that we have of that discussion, 9 clips in all, totaling 51 minutes.

Transcript

This is a transcript of the video clips in which this bill is discussed.

SENATOR STANLEY.

Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): I MOVE THAT SENATE BILL 611 BE ENGROSSED AND ADVANCED TO THE THIRD READING.

[Unknown]: THE QUESTION IS SHALL THE BILL BE ENGROSSED AND ADVANCED TO THE THIRD READING. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE AYES HAVE IT. THE BILL IS ENGROSSED AND ADVANCED TO THE THIRD READING.

Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): SENATE BILL 626, A BILL RELATING TO CARRYING CONCEALED HANDGUNS; PROTECTIVE ORDERS. REPORTED FROM COMMITTEE FOR COURTS OF JUSTICE.

[Unknown]: I MOVE THE BILL BE GROSS GROSS.

Del. Bill Howell (R-Fredericksburg): THE REQUEST HE IS SHALL THE BILL BE ENGROSSED AND ADVANCED TO THE THIRD READING. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO.
BILL 660 ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO. ARE THE SENATORS READY TO VOTE? HAVE ALL THE SENATORS VOTED? DO ANY SENATORS DESIRE TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE? THE CLERK WILL CLOSE THE ROLL.

[Unknown]: AYES 38, NOS 2. AYES 38, NOS 2. THE BILL PASSES. RETURN TO SENATE BILL 626, A BILL RELATING TO CARRYING CONCEALED HANDGUNS, PROTECTIVE ORDERS. THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER COUNTY, SENATOR VOGEL.

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE BILL PASS AND SPEAKING TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS BILL WAS PART OF A NUMBER OF BILLS THAT I WAS CARRYING THAT DEALT WITH DO YOU FEEL AND WHAT THIS BILL DOES -- WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND WHAT THE BILL DOES IS IT SPEEDS IT PROCESS BY WHICH A PERSON CAN GET A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT WHO HAS A PROTECTIVE ORDER. AND THROUGH THE 45 DAYS THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THEN THEY DON'T GET THE CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, BUT DURING THE TENURE OF THE 45 DAYS, THEY HAVE TO THOUGH THE PROTECTIVE ORDER AND THAT ALLOWS THEM TO CARRY A CONCEALED WEAPON. IN SOME OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD IN COMMITTEE WAS COMPELLING AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS IS NOT UNLIKE WHAT A LOT OF OTHER STATES HAVE DONE. THE PROTECTIVE ORDER AND TRAGICALLY IN LOTS OF CASES, THE PROTECTIVE ORDER IS REALLY JUST A PIECE OF PAPER FOR A WOMAN WHO IS A VICTIM OF STALKING OR A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND IT'S NOT NEWS TO THE MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS BODY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE TRAGEDIES AND I KNOW THAT THE WOMAN WHO WAS A VICTIM OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE WHO CAME AND SPOKE IN OUR COMMITTEE, ALONG WITH A WOMAN WHO CAME FROM THE FAUQUIER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHO IS AN ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, THEY BOTH SPOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT SO MANY WOMEN HAVE COME FORWARD AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN I DO. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT MYSELF. I'VE BEEN ISSUED THIS PROTECTIVE ORDER AND ALL THAT'S DONE IS MAKE MY ABUSER INCREDIBLY AND DEGREE, SO I'M LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY AND AN OPTION IN AN EMERGENCY WAY TO PROTECT MYSELF. DUE TO THE WAITING PERIOD FOR A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT, MANY PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT UP TO 45 DAYS. AND SO IN THE PENDENCY OF THAT WAITING TIME, THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. STATES LIKE COLORADO, IDAHO, KENTUCKY, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, NORTH CAROLINA, AND OHIO ACTUALLY HAVE EMERGENCY PERMITS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. IDAHO, KENTUCKY, MICHIGAN, AND OHIO EXPRESSLY PROVIDE THAT A PROTECTIVE ORDER MAY FORM THE BASIS OF ISSUING THE TEMPORARY PERMIT AND ALSO CALIFORNIA MAKES A PROTECTIVE ORDER PLUS BEING IN GRAVE DANGER AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE. WITH THAT, I HAD JUST ASK THAT THE BODY PASS THE BILL. I WAS INCREDIBLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT WE GOT IN COMMITTEE AND WE JUST ASK THE BILL PASS.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM NORTHERN FAIRFAX COUNTY, SENATOR HOWELL.

Sen. Janet Howell (D-Reston): IT'S FAIRLY RARE THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER, BUT IN THIS CASE, I DEFINITELY DON'T. THERE IS NO CONSENSUS AMONG THOSE WHO ARE WORKING TO PROTECT WOMEN WHO ARE SUBJECTS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ON THIS BILL. THE ADVOCATES THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR YEARS SPOKE AGAINST THIS BILL. THEIR FEELING THAT IS HAVING MORE GUNS IN THE SITUATION DOES NOT MAKE ANYBODY SAFER, AND INDEED, THE EFFORT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS WORKING WITH A SAFETY PLAN FOR THE WOMAN WHO'S THE VICTIM. SO I WOULD URGE PEOPLE NOT TO VOTE FOR THIS.

[Unknown]: SENATOR, THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM LOUDOUN. SENATOR BLACK.

Sen. Dick Black (R-Leesburg): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR. I DUTY NOT BELIEVE THAT A SAFETY PLAN IS GOING TO BE VERY EFFECTIVE. WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS INTENT ON COMMITTING A OFFENSE, A PLAN OR OPPORTUNITY TO CALL 911 IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU VERY FAR. YOU HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. I REMEMBER YEARS AGO, A MAN TERRORIZED THE CITY OF COLLEEN, TEXAS, AND ONE NIGHT HE WENT INTO A LOUSE AND THERE WAS AN ELDERLY LADY THERE AND AS HE BROKE HIS HAND THROUGH THE SCREEN AND PURN THE KNOB ON THE DOOR, SHE TOOK A 22 RIFLE, SHOT HIM, HIT HIM IN THE HIP. THE POLICE CAME AND FOLLOWED THE BLOOD TRAIL FOR ABOUT THREE BLOCKS. TURNS OUT SHE HAD HIT HIM IN THE ARTERY AND THEY FOUND HIM LYING DEAD ON HIS FACE. THAT ENDED THES REIGN OF TERROR. I THINK EXPERIENCE TELLS US THAT WHEN YOU ARE FACED WITH IMMINENT DANGER, YOU CAN ONLY RELY UPON YOURSELF AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY COMMON SENSE BILL. IT RECOGNIZES THE FACT THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DELAY IF YOU HAVE A VERY VIOLENT PERSON THAT YOU'RE FACING, AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AND I URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THE BILL.

Sen. Dick Black (R-Leesburg): THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE JUNIOR SENATOR FROM LOUDOUN, SENATOR WEXTON.

Sen. Jennifer Wexton (D-Leesburg): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WOULD THE PATRON RISE FOR A QUESTION?

[Unknown]: WOULD THE SENATOR YIELD FOR A QUESTION?

Sen. Jennifer Wexton (D-Leesburg): YES, I'M HAPPY TO YIELD.

[Unknown]: SHE YIELDS, SENATOR. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WOULD INQUIRE OF THE GENTLELADY FROM FAUQUIER WHETHER THIS -- THE PROTECTIVE ORDERS THAT ARE CONTEMPLATED UNDER THIS BILL INCLUDE EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE ORDERS OR PROTECTIVE ORDERS THAT ARE ISSUED ON AN EX PARTE BASIS. THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER. YES, THEY DO. IT DOES INCLUDE THOSE. THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM WESTERN FAIRFAX COUNTY, SENATOR MARSDEN.

Sen. Dave Marsden (D-Burke): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Dave Marsden (D-Burke): I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD WANT TO GO OUT AND GET A GUN TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. IT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE, BUT A SCARED PERSON, UNTRAINED WITH FIREARMS, PERHAPS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF OTHER PEOPLE, ENCOURAGING HER TO DO SO, WHO GOES OUT AND GETS A FIREARM, ODDS ARE SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN MORE THAN SOME ACT OF SELF PROTECTION, AND WIME I UNDERSTAND THE BILL -- WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE BILL AND PART OF ME SAYS YEAH, WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS, THE ODDS ARE AGAINST IT AND I THINK IT'S JUST A BAD PLAY FOR THE WOMAN AND FOR THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. THANK YOU.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM FAIRFAX COUNTY, SENATOR SASLAW.

Sen. Dick Saslaw (D-Springfield): MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE SENATE, I LISTENED TO THE SENATOR FROM NORTHERN FAIRFAX, SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER COUNTY, THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THEY'RE BOTH RIGHT. IF YOU NOTICED THE VOTE IN THE COMMITTEE, I COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER COUNTY AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. IT SEEMS THAT NO MORE THAN A WEEK, TWO WEEKS GOES BY WHERE YOU DON'T PICK UP YOUR LOCAL -- WELL, AT LEAST OUR LOCAL PAPER IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, WHICH IS THE POST, AND READ WHERE SOMEBODY, SOME GUY WHO HAD BEEN THREATENING AND THREATENING AND THREATENING HIS WIFE OR GIRLFRIEND ULTIMATELY WINDS UP KILLING THEM. SHE'S GONE TO THE POLICE, SHE'S COMPLAINED, SHE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE GOTTEN A PROTECTIVE ORDER, BUT REGARDLESS, SHE'S JUST AS DEAD. OKAY? AND THERE'S NO QUESTION, YOU MAY HAVE -- THERE IS A POTENTIAL, OBVIOUSLY, FOR MORE VIOLENCE. SHE MIGHT GO ON HER OWN AND FIGURE I'M GOING TO GET HIM BEFORE HE GETS ME, AND THAT WILL BE UP TO THE LOCAL -- AND IT MAY HAPPEN. IT MAY HAPPEN. I CONCEDE THAT. THAT WOULD BE A CALL FOR THE LOCAL PROSECUTOR TO DECIDE WHAT THEY DO. BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. IF THAT EXPRESSION WAS EVER MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A PARTICULAR SITUATION, IT'S THIS. AND THAT IS, BETTER TO BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY SIX. AND THIS -- YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK I'D EVER SAY THAT ON THE FLOOR HERE. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT THIS -- YOU KNOW, IF I'M GOING TO ERR, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'D RATHER ERR ON THE LADY'S SIDE THAN ON THE GUY'S. BECAUSE YOU DON'T OFTEN READ A REVERSE SITUATION. IT DOES HAPPEN? YES, IT HAPPENS, BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IN FACT, WAY MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT'S THE GUY KILLING THE WOMAN.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM STAFFORD, SENATOR STUART.

Sen. Richard Stuart (R-Westmoreland): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Richard Stuart (R-Westmoreland): VERY BRIEFLY. I CONCUR WITH THE GENTLEMAN, SENIOR SENATOR FROM FAIRFAX, AND JUST FROM A FORMER COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY'S PROSPECTIVE, I PROSECUTED A LOT OF THESE CASES WHEN I COULD. HALF THE TIME I COULDN'T GET THE WOMAN TO COME IN AND TESTIFY BECAUSE SHE WAS THAT AFRAID OF THE MAN WHO WAS BEATING HER UP. AND THAT'S THE REALITY THAT WE LIVE IN. WHY AM IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU WANT THESE WOMEN TO LIVE IN FEAR WHEN YOU CAN EMPOWER THEM TO STAND UP AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEATING THEM UP AND PUTTING THEM IN FEAR. AND TO THOSE WHO WOULD SAY THIS MAKES IT MORE DANGEROUS, IT AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. A HANDGUN IS POINT AND SHOOT. AND THEY CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES AGAINST THE ATTACKER WHO'S PUTTING THEM IN FEAR AND DANGER OF LOSING THEIR LIVES, SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN DO THIS ONE LITTLE THING TO HELP VICTIMS, PARTICULARLY WOMEN, WHO ARE ABUSED BY THOSE THAT WOULD DO IT, TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM BUCKINGHAM, SENATOR GARRETT.

Del. Tom Garrett (R-Louisa): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ALWAYS LIKE TO HELP, IF I KNOW THAT SOME NEWSPAPERS PRINT MORE STORIES MORE FREQUENTLY THAN OTHERS. LAST SEPTEMBER THE DAILY OKLAHOMAN PRINTED THE FOLLOWING. DESPITE OBJECT STAINING A PROTECTIVE ORDER, BRANDY'S EX-BOYFRIEND SHATTERED A GLASS DOOR AND ENTERED HER HOME JUST BEFORE 4:00 A.M. I ATTACK BOTH HER AND HER 11-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WHO WAS STABBED. WHEN SHE WITNESSED THE ATTACK, JADA, THE 11 ARE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, RETRIEVED A HANDGUN AND FIRED IT TWICE. THE BOYFRIEND FLED THE HOME BUT WAS FOUND STATIONARY A BLEW BOX AWAY. HE AND JADA WERE TAKEN TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL IN SERIOUS CONDITION. IT'S JUST BEYOND FLEE THAT PEOPLE WOULD SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE ARE BETTER OFF WITHOUT A FIREARM WHEN SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BREAK THROUGH THEIR GLASS DOOR AT 4:00 A.M., EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A PROTECTIVE ORDER AGAINST THEM. SEEMS TO ME THIS CASE IS ON POINT, PRECISELY BLAH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND WE TALK ABOUT UNTRAINED PEOPLE AND TRAINED PEOPLE. I BELIEVE IF YOU READ THIS STORY, WAIT THE 12-YEAR-OLD WHO SHOT THE KNIFE-WIELDING BOYFRIEND. I TELL YOU WHAT. IF I PUT MYSELF IN THE PLACE OF A WOMAN WHO'S SUBJECT TO THE THREAT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND I GET THE CHOICE, DO I HAVE A GUN OR DO I NOT, I KNOW WHICH CHOICE I WOULD MAKE. I KNOW WHICH CHOICE I WOULD MAKE. AND I ASK EACH ONE OF YOU TO DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, THIS IS AN EASY BILL TO GET BEHIND. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO, SENATOR McEACHIN.

Sen. Don McEachin (D-Richmond): SPEAKING TO THE BILL, MR. PRESIDENT.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Don McEachin (D-Richmond): IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT, HOW THIS BILL HAS BEEN PORTRAYED AS THE RIGHT OF A WOMAN TO BE ABLE TO ATTAIN A FIREARM. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS BILL IS ABOUT. BECAUSE THE WOMAN CAN GET A FIREARM. SHE CAN GO THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESS SHE NEEDS TO GO THROUGH, SHE CAN OWN THAT FIREARM, AND SHE CAN DEFEND HERSELF. THE EXAMPLE GIVEN BY THE SENATOR FROM -- IS THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM LOUDOUN AND MY GOOD FRIEND, THE SENATOR FROM BUCKINGHAM, THE SENATOR FROM BUCKINGHAM, NEITHER ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES, AT LEAST AS DESCRIBED, TALKED ABOUT A CONCEALED WEAPON. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE IN VIRGINIA TO PURCHASE A LAND GUN. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET AN ACCELERATED PROCESS FOR CONCEALED WEAPON. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I VOTED NO BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT. QUITE FRANKLY, IF I'M THE -- IF SOMEONE IS CHASING ME DOWN AND I'VE GOT A PROTECTIVE ORDER AND I ELECT TO HAVE A GUN, TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO BE OPEN CARRY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO MAKE ANY MISTAKE ABOUT IT, THEY'RE FIXING TO GET SHOT. SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I HOPE THAT WE WILL DEFEAT THIS MEASURE.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM ALEXANDRIA, SENATOR EBBIN.

Sen. Adam Ebbin (D-Alexandria): WOULD THE SENATOR FROM FAL KEER RISE FOR A QUESTION?

[Unknown]: WOULD THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER COUNTY YIELD FOR A QUESTION?

Sen. Adam Ebbin (D-Alexandria): I YIELD.

[Unknown]: SHE YIELDS, SENATOR. I WOULD ASK THE SENATOR, CAN A WOMAN WHO HAS THIS PROTECTIVE ORDER AGAINST A PERPETRATOR GET A FIREARM FAIRLY EASILY NOW, TO OPEN CARRY? THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER? MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD RESPOND THAT THAT PERSON CAN PURCHASE A FIREARM, BUT IF I MAY, THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN PURCHASING A FIREARM AND WHAT THIS BILL WOULD DO. THIS BILL IS ABOUT A CONCEALED CARRY, AND TO THE SENATOR'S POINT, IT'S TRUE, YOU CAN PURCHASE A FIREARM, BUT NOT EVERY WOMAN IS COMFORTABLE WITH AN OPEN CARRY. FRANKLY IF YOU'RE WITH YOUR CHILDREN OR YOU'RE OUT IN PUBLIC, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT EVERY WOMAN WISHES TO DO AND THAT IS OPEN CARRY, AND IN THIS CASE, IF YOU ARE IN THE POSITION WHERE YOU FEEL AN IMMINENT THREAT OF HARM FROM A PERSON WHO IS A STALKER OR SOMEONE WHO WISHES TO KILL YOU ARE IS THRES TENG TO KILL YOU AND YOU'VE BEEN ISSUE A PROTECTIVE ORDER, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN YOUR STW OR IN THE INTEREST OF YOUR SAFETY TO WAIT THOSE 45 DAYS. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. THIS IS GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONCEAL CARRY FOR THOSE 45 DAYS WHILE YOU MIGHT BE WAITING TO APPLY FOR A CONSAELD CARRY PERMIT. THANK YOU, SENATOR. WOULD THE GENTLELADY YIELD THE -- FOR ONE MORE QUESTION? THE SENATOR YIELD FOR AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION? I YIELD. IF I UNDERSTAND THE BILL CORRECTLY, THIS BILL MERELY SAYS FOR 45 DAYS, THAT THE WOMAN CAN CARRY THIS PROTECTION IN HER PURSE RATHER THAN OPEN CARRY ET AND HAVE TO WEAR ON IT A HOLSTER OR WHATEVER. THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER. THAT'S CORRECT, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO CONCEAL CARRY THROUGH THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF APPLYING FOR THE PER MI. THIS WOULD NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO. YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, GET FINGERPRINTED AND DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO HANDLE YOUR WEAPON JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE WITH AN APPLICATION FOR CONCEALED CARRY. THE SENATOR FROM CHESAPEAKE, SENATOR COSGROVE.

Sen. John Cosgrove (R-Chesapeake): THANK YOU N PRESIDENT. VERY BRIEFLY SPEAKING TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: NOOR FLOOR.

Sen. John Cosgrove (R-Chesapeake): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE SENATE, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCEALED CARRY AND FOR A GOOD REASON. THE GENTLELADY FROM FAUQUIER IS WEARING A VERY AT TRACK TIFR OUTFIT TODAY. WHERE IS SHE GOING TO CARRY HER GUN? IS SHE GOING TO HAVE A SIX SHOOTER OR IS SHE GOING TO HAVE A HOLSTER AND FAST DRAW? I DON'T THINK SO. THIS IS A REASONABLE REQUEST FOR SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY IS IN DANGER AND I WOULD ALSO REMIND EVERYONE HERE, NO MATTER WHERE THAT LADY HAS THAT GUN, SHE CAN'T CARRY IT INTO ANY BUILDING THAT THE COMMONWEALTH OWNS BESIDES THE ONES WE CONTROL. THANK YOU.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON, SENATOR CARRICO.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): JUST REAL QUICK, JUST TO EDUCATE EVERYONE ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPEN CARRY AND CONCEALED CARRY, WHEN YOU CONCEALED CARRY, YOU KEEP THEM SO THE SITUATION THAT IS GUESSING. DESCRIBED IN A PROTECTIVE ORDER SITUATION, AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN FROM HENRICO SAYING THAT HE WOULD WANT TO OPEN CARRY SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY COME AFTER HIM, HE GETS SHOT, A STALKER, SOMEONE WHO HAS A PROTECTIVE ORDER AGAINST THEM, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO BE WAITING TO WATCH TO SEE WHENEVER THEY'RE NOT OPEN CARRYING TO ATTACK THAT INDIVIDUAL. CONCEALED CARRY KEEPS THEM GUESSING. THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'VE GOT IT OR HOW THEY'VE GOT IT. AND WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL THE SIZE OF THE GENTLELADY FROM FAIRFAX HAS A WEAPON, THAT GENTLELADY LOOKS LIKE MY SIZE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE END OF THE BARREL OF A GUN. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO CARRY A WEAPON AND CARRY IT CONCEALED BECAUSE WHOEVER IT IS, WHATEVER PROTECTION THEY NEED, THAT PERSON NEVER KNOWS WHEN THAT WEAPON IS ON THEM. SO I HOPE WE PASS THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER, SENATOR VOGEL.

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK, I WILL JUST LIKE TO SAY IN CLOSING THAT THE STORY THAT THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM FAIRFAX DESCRIBED IS EXACTLY THE STORY THAT WAS TOLD BY THE VICTIM IN THE COURTS COMMITTEE, AND SHE DESCRIBED, I THINK, 26 YEARS OF CONSTANT ABUSE, PROTECTIVE ORDERS BEING ISSUED, BUT IN MANY CASES CALLING THE POLICE WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER MONTH, AND ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO HER DEFENSE, AND MANY, MANY, KNOWLEDGE NIGHTS, SHE WAS NOT BELIEVED. SHE WOULD SHOW UP AT HER HOUSE. HE WOULD BE THERE BE HE WOULD HAVE A MACHETE, A KNIFE, SOMETHING, THREATENING TO KILL HER AND BECAUSE HE WAS SLICK AND SMOOTH, HE COULD TALK THE POLICE OUT OF IT AND THEY WOULD LEAVE. THERE ARE MANY, MANY NIGHT WHEN SHE BELIEVED THAT SHE OR HER CHILDREN WOULD IN THE SURVIVE THAT NIGHT AND IT WASN'T UNTIL THE VERY END WHEN HE WAS CAUGHT. HE HAD GONE TO TRACTOR SUPPLY AND BOUGHT THREE KNIVES AND HE WAS COMING BACK AND HE TOLD HER, I'M GOING TO COME AND KILL YOU, AND SHE CALL THE POLICE AND THEY CAME AND DIDN'T BELIEVE HER, AND THEY LEFT. AND SHE CALLED ONE LAST TIME AND SAID I PROMISE YOU, HE IS COMING TO KILL ME. AND HE WENT TO TRACTOR SUPPLY AND BOUGHT THREE KNIVES AND HE CAME BACK AND HE STUMBLED BECAUSE HE WAS INCREDIBLY INTOXICATED AND FELL OUT OF THE CAR, AND HE WAS COMING ACROSS THE ROAD AND HE HAD THREE KNIVES AND HE WAS COMING BACK TO KILL HER. AND, YOU KNOW, HER STORY IS LIKE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF OTHER WOMEN'S STORIES, BUT SHE NEVER HAD THE RESOURCES THAT SHE NEEDED AND SHE NEVER HAD THE COUNSELING AND SHE NEVER HAD THE SUPPORT THAT SHE NEEDED, BUT SHE CERTAINLY BELIEVED THAT IF AT ANY TIME IN THIS PROCESS, SOMEONE HAD COUNSELED HER AND SAID IF YOU HAD A CONCEALED CARRY, IF YOU HAD THAT AT THE ISSUANCE OF A PROTECTIVE ORDER, ON THE FEW OCCASIONS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY GOT PRETTY HOT TECHTIVE ORDER, SHE BELIEVED THAT HE WOULD HAVE LEFT HER ALONE, THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH OF AN INTIMIDATING FACTOR, BECAUSE HE REALLY WAS WEAK AND HE REALLY WAS AFRAID AND THAT WAS WHY HE WAS, YOU KNOW, SUCH A HORRIBLE PERSON TO HER. BUT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE KEPT HIM FROM CONSTANTLY, CONSTANTLY ABUSING HER AND, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE PREVENTED WHAT WAS A LOT OF HORRIBLE TRAGEDY IN HER LIFE.


Sen. Mark Obenshain (R-Harrisonburg): AYES 33, NOS 5, RULE 36-2.

[Unknown]: AYES 33, NOS 5, RULE 36-2. THE SENATE CONCURS WITH THE HOUSE SUBSTITUTE. SENATE BILL 626. PASSED THE HOUSE WITH AMENDMENT. THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER, THANK YOU N PRESIDENT. SENATOR VOGEL. I MOVE THE PASSAGE OF THE AMENDMENT AND SPEAKING TO THAT. THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE BILL HAD TO DO WITH -- THIS BILL HAD TO DO WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND THOSE WHO HAVE SOUGHT -- BEEN GIVEN A PROTECTIVE ORDER AND THE GRACE PERIOD 45 DAYS IN WHICH THEY CAN HAVE AN EXPEDITED PROCESS IN WHICH TO GET A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT. THE HOUSE MADE ONE TECHNICAL CHANGE BY TAKING OUT A REFERENCE TO A CODE SECTION AND LARGE STRING OF CODE SECTIONS, SO IT MAKES NO CHANGE TO THE BILL IN ITS SUBSTANCE AND I MOVE YOU ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. THE QUESTION IS SHALL THE SENATE CONCUR WITH THE AMENDMENT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WILL RECORD THEIR VOTES AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO. ARE THE SENATORS READY TO VOTE? HAVE ALL THE SENATORS VOTED? DO ANY SENATORS DESIRE TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE? THE CLERK WILL CLOSE THE ROLL. AYES 34, NOS 6. AYES 34, NOS 6.
THE SENATOR FROM FAUQUIER COUNTY, SENATOR VOGEL.

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester): MR. PRESIDENT.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel (R-Winchester): COULD THAT GO BYE FOR THE DAY.

[Unknown]: THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR AS WELL. WITHOUT OBJECTION, SENATE BILL 626 WILL GO BYE FOR THE DAY. SENATE BILL 670. THE SENATOR FROM HANOVER,