Coal tax; limits aggregate amount of credits that may be allocated or claimed for employment, etc. (SB44)

Introduced By

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson) with support from co-patron Sen. Ben Chafin (R-Lebanon)

Progress

Introduced
Passed Committee
Passed House
Passed Senate
Signed by Governor
Became Law

Description

Coal tax credits. Limits the aggregate amount of credits that may be allocated or claimed for the coal employment and production incentive tax credit to $7.5 million. An electricity generator must file an application with the Department of Taxation each year to determine the amount of credits that it may claim or allocate, including credits earned in prior taxable years. If the total amount of credits earned in a taxable year exceeds $7.5 million, the Department of Taxation shall apportion the credits on a pro rata basis. The bill also extends the sunset date of the coalfield employment enhancement tax credit through taxable years beginning before January 1, 2020. Read the Bill »

Outcome

Bill Has Failed

History

DateAction
12/15/2015Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/13/16 16101723D
12/15/2015Referred to Committee on Finance
01/29/2016Impact statement from TAX (SB44)
02/10/2016Reported from Finance with substitute (14-Y 1-N) (see vote tally)
02/10/2016Committee substitute printed 16105340D-S1
02/10/2016Incorporates SB718
02/11/2016Constitutional reading dispensed (40-Y 0-N) (see vote tally)
02/12/2016Read second time
02/12/2016Reading of substitute waived
02/12/2016Committee substitute agreed to 16105340D-S1
02/12/2016Engrossed by Senate - committee substitute SB44S1
02/12/2016Constitutional reading dispensed (39-Y 0-N) (see vote tally)
02/12/2016Passed by for the day
02/15/2016Passed by temporarily
02/15/2016Read third time and passed Senate (33-Y 7-N) (see vote tally)
02/17/2016Placed on Calendar
02/17/2016Read first time
02/17/2016Referred to Committee on Finance
02/19/2016Impact statement from TAX (SB44S1)
02/22/2016Reported from Finance with amendments (16-Y 5-N) (see vote tally)
02/23/2016Read second time
02/24/2016Read third time
02/24/2016Committee amendments agreed to
02/24/2016Engrossed by House as amended
02/24/2016Passed House with amendments (74-Y 25-N 1-A)
02/24/2016VOTE: PASSAGE (74-Y 25-N 1-A) (see vote tally)
02/26/2016House amendments agreed to by Senate (34-Y 5-N) (see vote tally)
02/29/2016Enrolled
02/29/2016Bill text as passed Senate and House (SB44ER)
02/29/2016Impact statement from TAX (SB44ER)
02/29/2016Signed by Speaker
03/03/2016Signed by President
03/04/2016Enrolled Bill Communicated to Governor on 3/4/16
03/04/2016G Governor's Action Deadline Midnight, March 11, 2016
03/11/2016G Vetoed by Governor
04/20/2016Passed by temporarily
04/20/2016Motion to pass in enriolled form rejected (24-Y 15-N)
04/20/2016Requires 26 affirmative votes to pass in enrolled form

Video

This bill was discussed on the floor of the General Assembly. Below is all of the video that we have of that discussion, 6 clips in all, totaling 55 minutes.

Transcript

This is a transcript of the video clips in which this bill is discussed.



Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): THE COMMONWEALTH. FOR THOSE REASONS, MR. PRESIDENT, I RENEW MY MOTION THAT THE BILL PASS.

[Unknown]: THE QUESTION IS SHALL SENATE BILL 19 PASS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WILLT ES AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO. ARE THE SENATORS READY TO VOTE? HAVE ALL THE SENATORS VOTED? DO ANY SENATORS DESIRE TO CH ANGE THEIR VOTE? THE CLERK WILL CLOSE THE ROLL. AYES 37, NOS 2.
THERE ARE CERTAIN EXEMPTS UNDER FOIA AND I THINK THE LIFE AND SAFETY OF OUR PUBLIC OFFICERS AND FAMILIES AND MARSHALLS SHOULD TAKE PRECEDENCE. THE QUESTION IS SHOULD SENATE BILL 552 PASS. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WILLS AYE, THOSE OPPOSED NO. ARE THE SENATORS READY TO VOTE? HAVE ALL THE SENATORS VOTED? DO ANY SENATORS DESIRE TO CH ANGE THEIR VOTE? THE CLERK WILL CLOSE THE ROLL. AYES 25, NOS 15. THE BILL PASSES. SENATE BILL 44. THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE BILL. THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR. I MOVE THAT SENATE BILL 44 PASS AND SPEAKING TO THAT. YES, SIR. MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS THE COAL TAX CREDIT WHICH IS VITAL TO THE REGION THAT I MYSELF AND NOR CHAFIN REPRESENTS -- AND SENATOR CHAFIN REPRESENTS. THIS BILL IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW CREDITS TO GO TO GENERATION WHICH IT CAP THES THE GENERATION TAX AT $7.5 MILLION AND EXTENDS THE EMPLOYMENT ENHANCEMENT TAX TO THAT REGION UNTIL JANUARY OF 2022. 2022 WHICH THIS TAX CREDIT WILL EXPIRE AT THE END OF DECEMBER BEFORE JANUARY 21, 2017. THE TAX CREDITS FOR THE COAL TAX CREDIT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING THE SOUTHWESTERN VIRGINIA ECONOMY ADJUST TO THE COAL PRODUCTION AND THE CLOSURE OF MINES HELPING US PUT TOGETHER AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN ORDER TO ENHANCE AND TO BUILD MORE BUSINESSES ACROSS THE REGION AND DUE TO THE HARDSHIPS IN THE MINING INDUSTRY THIS IS VITAL TO OUR REGION IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT ECONOMY VITAL AND KEEP THE MINING, THE MINES GOING. SOME NUMBERS THAT I WANT TO GIVE TO YOU AS AN INDICATION OF HOW THE MINING INDUSTRY HAS SUFFERED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, SINCE 1990 UNTIL 2004 THERE HAS BEEN A REDUCTION IN MINING OF 31.4 MILLION TONS. IS A DECREASE OF 31.4 MILLION TONS IN COAL PRODUCTION. IN 2014, JUST LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO A REDUCTION OF 1.7 MILLION TONS. SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA THE COAL INDUSTRY JOBS FROM 90 TO 2004 A LOSS OF 8,222 JOBS IN THAT INDUSTRY IN THE OPERATING MINES IN VIRGINIA FROM '90 TO 2004. THERE HAS BEEN A LOSS OF 251 MINES THERE WERE OPERATING THEN THAT ARE NOT OPERATING NOW. SINCE 2015 THERE IS LESS THAN 200 MINES THAT ARE LICENSED IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AND FEWER THAN 70 OPERATING MINES IN THE COMMONWEALTH. THIS DOESN'T ONLY AFFECT SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IT ALSO AFFECTS THE RAILS, THE PORTS OF VIRGINIA WHERE THE COAL GOES TO, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THE BODY WOULD SUPPORT THIS MEASURE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THESE COAL TAX CREDIT TO MOVE FORWARD AND TO HELP A REGION THAT IS SUFFERING GREATLY FROM THE LOSS OF TOWS TE JOBS. THE SENATOR FROM RUSSELL COUNTY, SENATOR CHAFIN.

Sen. Ben Chafin (R-Lebanon): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I RISE TO SPEAK? SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Ben Chafin (R-Lebanon): WE VOTED ON SENATE BILL 60 AND SENATE BILL 60 I WILL REMIND YOU WAS TO EQUIP I-66 WITH TOLL BOOTH AND LANES IMPROVEMENTS AND I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT AND I DID THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A REGIONAL ISSUE AND IT WAS A REGIONAL ISSUE THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. DIDN'T HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA, MY REGION. BUT IT HAD TO A LOT TO DO WITH YOUR REGION IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA AND IT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU. NOW, I STAND HERE BEFORE YOU SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE COAL TAX CREDITS. AND THAT IS ANOTHER REGIONAL ISSUE BUT THIS SOMETIME IT IS SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IN DIRE NEED AND IN NEED OF HELP HERE. YOU KNOW, I VISIT THE THESE MINE SITES. I HAVE TALKED TO THESE INDUSTRY LEADERS. AND THE TRUTH IS THERE IS A THOUSAND JOBS, GIVE OR TAKE 50, THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOST IN WE DO NOT CONTINUE THESE COAL TAX CREDITS. A THOUSAND JOBS. NOW THAT IS A LOT OF JOBS IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. REMEMBER, I REMINDED YOU A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THAT WE HAVE A BLENDED UNEMPLOYMENT RATE RIGHT NOW OF 8 ABOUTER 8%. 8%. WE CAN'T AFFORD A THOUSAND JOBS. WE CAN'T AFFORD 50. WE CAN'T AFFORD TWO. AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE THOUSAND JOBS AND YOU THINK ABOUT WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SIX OR SEVEN OTHER SUPPORT JOBS THAT WORK ALONG WITH TO SUPPORT THOSE MINERS THAT GO DOWN IN THE MINES EVERY DAY NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THOUSANDS OF JOBS. AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE TAX DOLLARS AND THE MONEY BEING GENERATED IN THE ECONOMY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL LOOK AT THIS MEASURE IN A REGIONAL SORT OF WAY. IN A WAY THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR, SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IS IN NEED AND YOU CAN HELP SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA RIGHT NOW WITH THIS COAL TAX CREDIT. AND IF WE DON'T, HOW DO WE JUSTIFY THE ADMINISTRATION'S REQUEST TO SPEND $50 MILLION RIGHT NOW, NO STRINGS ATTACHED TO HELP SAVE DULLES AIRPORT? I LIKE DULLES AIRPORT. I HAVE FLOWN IN AND OUT OF IT A NUMBER OF TIMES. BUT IF DULLES AIRPORT IS IN TROUBLE, HOW IS IT IN ANYMORE TROUBLE THAN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IS RIGHT NOW? AND SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA'S COAL MINING INDUSTRY. THESE JOBS ARE REAL AND THEY ARE HERE NOW. BUT THEY WILL BE GONE TOMORROW IF YOU VOTE NO ON THIS. AND THAT IS JUST THE FACT. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. YOU CAN GO HOME TO YOUR NICE HOMES. YOU CAN LIVE WITH THIS SITUATION ANY WAY YOU WANT TO LIVE WITH IT, BUT THESE PEOPLE WON'T HAVE A JOB, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES AND YOU KNOW WHAT THERE IS NOT ANY KIND OF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY INDUSTRY IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA FOR THEM TO GO GET A JOB WITH. I MEAN THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO GET A JOB IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA WITH RENEWABLE ENERGY COMPANIES. SHOW ME ONE. GO FIND US ONE. I WILL FILL OUT THE JOB APPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE. THAT IS JUST SIMPLY -- THAT IS JUST SIMPLY NOT HAPPENING. THE JOBS ARE HERE TODAY, THEY ARE GONE TOMORROW IF YOU MAKE YOUR VOTE. I URGE YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS IMPORTANT REGIONAL BILL FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR, SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM FRANKLIN COUNTY, SENATOR STANLEY.

Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): RISE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF SENATE BILL 44.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): SENATOR, MR. PRESIDENT, THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON HAS HIT ON A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC AND IT IS NOT JUST THE JOBS AND WAY OF LIFE AND LIVELY HOOD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THE COAL COUNTRY OF SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA BUT ALSO THE RIPPLE EFFECT. THE RIPPLE EFFECT IT HAS ON THE LIVES OF THOSE FAMILIES THAT MAY OWN BUSINESSES WHO WHOSE BROTHERS AND SISTERS OR SONS AND DAUGHTERS DO NOT GO DOWN INTO THE MINES BUT NEVERTHELESS DEPEND ON THAT ECONOMY IN ORDER TO HAVE THEIR SMALL BUSINESS THROW AND THRIVE AND TO EMPLOY OTHER PEOPLE AND GOES FROM THE MOM AND POP STORE TO THE RESTAURANT TO THE TAILOR. IT EVEN GOES FARTHER IN OUR ECONOMIC STRUCTURE, FARTHER INTO OUR CORPORATE STRUCTURE EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE COAL FIELDS. I AM REMINDED AND MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD REMIND THE MEMBERS OF THE BODY JUST ONE MONTH AGO, 38 TRAIN CONDUCTORS WERE LAID BUFFF BY NORFOLK SOUTHERN. WHY? THE TITLE IN THE ROANOKE TIMES TITLE SAID IT THEMSELVES CUTS STAFFING BECAUSE OF COAL. I REMIND YOU, ONCE AGAIN, THAT EVEN BEFORE THAT A CONSOLIDATION EFFORT BY NORFOLK SOUTHERN REMOVED 500 JOBS FROM ROANOKE. BECAUSE OF COAL. AND WE EVEN DEBATED THAT ISSUE WHETHER IT WAS BECAUSE OF COAL OR OTHER ISSUES BUT I SUBMIT TO YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT EVEN NORFOLK SOUTHERN ADMITS IT. THE ARTICLE SAID THE RAILROAD HAS PREVIOUSLY ACKNOWLEDGED SOFTNESS IN THE COAL BUSINESS AND THAT REVENUE HAD FELL DURING THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2015 DURING THE SAME PERIOD OF 2014 BY 23%, MR. PRESIDENT. AND, IN FACT, NORFOLK SOUTHERN ADMITS THAT IT HAS TAKEN 300 MILES OF TRACK OUT OF SERVICE. 300 MILES OF TRACK HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE BY NORFOLK SOUTHERN. WHY, DO YOU ASK? NORFOLK SOUTHERN TELLS YOU BECAUSE OF THE SOFTNESS IN THE DOLE INDUSTRY -- IN THE COAL INDUSTRY. SO YOU CAN'T DENY THAT IF WE TAKE THESE TAX CREDITS AWAY, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS YOU ARE TAKING OUT THE LAST UNDERPINNING OF THE FOUNDATION OF THIS VERY CRITICAL CRUCIAL AND VITAL INDUSTRY IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. NOT ONLY WILL WE LOSE THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN THE COAL MINES AND AROUND THE COAL MINES THE RIPPLE EFFECT FOR SMALL BUSINESS WILL BE ONE THAT CRASHES STARTS FROM THIS PART OF VIRGINIA AND CRASHES ON THE SHORES OF VIRGINIA AT OUR PORTS WHERE THE COAL IS BROUGHT TO, TO BE DELIVERED TO FOREIGN MARKETS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING, MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK ALL OF US HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE NEVER HAPPENS. AND FOR THOSE REASONS, MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK THAT EVERYONE SUPPORT THIS VERY IMPORTANT BILL SENATE BILL 44. THANK YOU. THE SENATOR FROM WESTERN FAIRFAX COUNTY, SENATOR MARSDEN.

Sen. Dave Marsden (D-Burke): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAK TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Dave Marsden (D-Burke): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I CAN'T VOTE TO TAKE THESE JOBS AWAY FROM THESE INDIVIDUALS. AS MUCH AS A RENEWABLE ENERGY GUY AS I TRIED TO BE, I TRY TO REMIND PEOPLE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA ALL THE TIME WHEN THEY GO TO TURN ON THE LIGHT SWITCH OF THE PAIN AND SUFFERING AND DIFFICULTIES PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH FOR YEARS TO PRODUCE THAT ELECTRICITY. THE DANGER IN THE MINES. THE TIMES WHEN THE UNIONS FACED ALL KINDS OF RESISTANCE FROM THE MINE OWNERS AND DEATHS THAT TOOK PLACE. THIS IS A HARD BUSINESS. THEY HAVE HAD A HARD EXISTENCE BUT THE ONE THING I WOULD ASK FROM MY FRIENDS FROM SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IS YOU GET BEHIND THE RENEWABLE ENERGY WORLD IN THE FUTURE TO GET THOSE IDENTITY WITH MILLS ON TOP OF YOUR RIDGE LINES AND START RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT THE FUTURE FOR COAL IS NOT GOOD, MR. PRESIDENT, I CAN'T TAKE THESE JOBS AWAY AND I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM VIRGINIA BEACH, SENATOR WAGNER. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I RISE AND SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE BILL.

Sen. Frank Wagner (R-Virginia Beach): THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

[Unknown]: WHILE THESENATORS FROM THE SOUTHWEST SIDE HAVE POINTED OUT THE IMPACT. IT REACHES OUT TO THE PORT OF HAMPTON ROADS. I WILL GIVE YOU NUMBERS HERE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TONNAGE SHIPPED OUT. IN 2012 SOME 50 MILLION TONS OF COAL SHIPPED OUT OF THE PORT OF HAMPTON ROADS. 2013 UP TO 51 MILLION TONS OF COAL. 2014, WE LOST NEARLY 20% OF THE MARKET, DOWN TO 40.1 TONS OF COAL. IN 2015, WE ARE DONE TO 37 MILLION TONS OF COAL. ABOUT HALF OF WHAT WE WERE AT THE PEEK AND THIS HAS A REAL -- AT THE PEAK AND THIS HAS A REAL, REAL NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE JOBS THERE. STUDY ESTIMATE JOBS RELATE TO THE THE ACTIVITIES IN MOVING THE COAL TO THE PORTS AND LOADING IT ON SHIPS AND SHIPPING IT OUT. $900 MILLION OF GOODS AND SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. THIS IS NOT JUST A SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA PROBLEM, NOT JUST A CENTRAL VIRGINIA OR RAILROAD PROBLEM, THIS IS A PROBLEM ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA OF HOPE WE WOULD SUPPORT OUR FRIENDS IN THE SOUTHWEST AND IN EFFECT SUPPORT OURSELVES HERE IN HAMPTON ROADS ALSO.

Sen. Frank Wagner (R-Virginia Beach): THANK YOU. THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON, SENATOR CARRICO.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW MORE COMMENTS. MINING IS A LOT MORE TECHNICAL THAN WHAT MOST PEOPLE IMAGINE IT TO BE OF A PICK AND SHOVEL AND A CART MOVING COAL OUT OF THE COAL MINES EVEN THOUGH IT IS A DANGEROUS AND THANKLESS JOB IT HAS NOW EVOLVED INTO A VERY TECHNICAL AND EXPERIENCED JOB THAT ONE NEEDS TO HAVE AND ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT WE CURRENTLY FIGURING THE RATES OF REPLACING THE JOBS AND THEY ARE GOOD PAYING JOBS IT TAKES THREE AT THE CURRENT RATE JOBS TO REPLACE ONE OF THE OF THE COAL MINERS. LOOK AT 8,222 JOBS AND FACT THERE IS SOME A THOUSAND JOBS AT STAKE HERE, THAT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY 27,000 JOB TO BE REPLACED IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA JUST TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE WERE ABOUT 3,000 IF THE THOUSAND WERE LOST. AND I JUST HOPE THAT THAT BODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS EVOLVING WITH CLEAN COAL PLANTS THAT WE HAVE ONLINE NOW AND THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THE EMISSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, COAL IS NOT AN ENERGY OF THE PAST BUT IT CAN BE AN ENERGY OF THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH AND UTILIZE AND WE CAN PUT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE BACK TO WORK AND KEEP THE JOBS AVAILABLE BUT THE COAL TAX CREDIT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE REGION


[Unknown]: SENATE BILL 44, THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON, SENATOR CARRICO.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THAT.

[Unknown]: BILL: SENATE BILL 44 BE PASSED IN ITS ENROLLED FORM NOT WITHSTANDING THE OBJECTION OF THE GOVERNOR.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

[Unknown]: LE OF YOU KNOW THAT IS THE COAL TAX CREDIT BILL THAT WE DEBATED IN MANY DIFFERENT FASHIONS HERE ON THE FLOOR DURING SESSION. THIS BILL WOULD PROTECT SOME 2,000 MINERS THAT WE HAVE LEFT IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA THAT ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK IN THE MINING INDIESTRY. WE HAVE -- INDUSTRY. WE HAVE MANY TENTACLES FROM THE COAL INDUSTRY THAT REACHES OUT ALL ACROSS VIRGINIA WITH NORFOLK SOUTHERN RAIL, WITH CSX RAIL, WITH THE PORTS OF VIRGINIA, AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT COAL SUPPLIES AS FAR AS NECESSITIES FOR VIRGINIA ARE RIGHT THERE FROM THE SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK AT THE COAL INDUSTRY AS A SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA ISSUE BUT IT IT IS ALL ACROSS VIRGINIA AND IS NOT. OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES IT IS ONE OF THE MAIN SUPPLY ERS FOR THE BUILDING INDUSTRY WITH THE COAL PRODUCED THERE AND FOR THE STEAM COAL USED FOR PRODUCING POWER. SO THIS COAL TAX CREDIT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE IN PROTECTING THE JOBS OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SEEING A DECLINING MARKET IN THE COAL INDUSTRY. AND WE ARE REALISTIC TO UNDERSTAND WE TO WORK OUTSIDE THE BOX TRY TO CREATE JOBS FOR SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND AS A GROUP OF LEGISLATORS WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AT HAND. BUT TO LOSE THESE JOBS AND THE DIRE NEED FOR THIS COAL TAX CREDIT TO BE EXPANDED IS THE FACT THAT LIKE NEVER BEFORE IF WE DON'T MOVE ON THIS, THIS YEAR, THAT IS IT. IT EXPIRES IN DECEMBER. THERE IS NO WAITING A YEAR TO COME BACK AND DEBATE IT AGAIN. IT IS GOING TO BE GONE AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA DELEGATION, WE HAVE SUPPORT THE OTHER REGIONAL PROJECTS, THE DULLES AIRPORT THIS YEAR AND THE I-66 INITIATIVES THAT BROUGHT FORWARD INITIATIVE AND WE SUPPORTED THE TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVE THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD A FEW YEARS AGO BECAUSE WE DO SEE THAT VIRGINIA AS A WHOLE IS IN NEED OF THINGS AND SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE REGIONAL ISSUES. NOW WE ARE HERE ON THIS FLOOR ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IN THIS COAL TAX CREDIT NEED. I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF CONCERNS AS TO WHETHER IT IS AN EFFECTIVE TOOL FOR SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND I KNOW THAT THE GOVERNOR REFERS TO A JAY LARK STUDY BUT THERE WAS A STUDY THAT ALSO SHOWED THAT THIS COAL TAX CREDIT IS EFFECTIVE AND IT DOES WORK. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS BODY WOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FACT THAT COAL IS STILL USED. COAL IS STILL NEEDED. WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF POWER THAT IS GENERATE THE FROM COAL. AND THE AGAIN -- GENERATED FROM COAL AND CLEAN-BURNING GOAL PLANTS -- COAL PLANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT EMITTING AS MUCH EMISSIONS AS OTHER PLANTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE 33 THAT VOTED WITH US WOULD STICK WITH US AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS TO REBOUND THIS ECONOMY AND TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TRYING TO PULL OURSELVES UP BY OUR BOOT STRINGS AND TRYING TO GET SOME THINGS GOING IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND NOT LOOK AT THOSE 2,000 JOBS AS USELESS JOBS. THANK YOU, MR. P. THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO, SENATOR McEACHIN.

Sen. Don McEachin (D-Richmond): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE MEASURE.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Don McEachin (D-Richmond): I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD SUSTAIN THE GOVERNOR'S VETO. SENATE BILL44 EXTENDS COAL TAX CREDIT WITHOUT ANY MEANINGFUL REFORM. THE SENATOR TALKED ABOUT ANOTHER STUDY BUT THE STUDY WE ALL LOOKED TO AND THE ISED DID I THAT WE THE COMMISSION THAT WE HOLD IN HIGH REGARD JAY LARK FOUND THAT COAL TAX CREDITS WERE INEFFECTIVE AND COAL PRODUCTION AND EMPLOYMENT DECLINED AT THE SAME OR FASTER RATES THAN WERE PREDICTED BEFORE THE CREDITS WERE CREATED. LISTEN TO THIS. SINCE 1988, OVER $610 MILLION IN COAL TAX CREDITS HAVE BEEN CLAIMED BY COAL COMPANIES AND RELATED BUSINESSES WHILE THE NUMBER OF COAL MINERS IN VIRGINIA HAS DECLINED FROM 11,106 TO 2,946. SENATORS EXTENDING THESE TAX CREDITS WOULD BE A VERY INEFFECTIVE USE OF TAXPAYER RESOURCES. AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE SUSTAIN THE GOVERNOR'S VETO.

[Unknown]: THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM LOUDOUN, SENATOR BLACK.

Sen. Dick Black (R-Leesburg): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAK TO THE MOTION.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Dick Black (R-Leesburg): LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNOR'S VETO. I NOTICE IN HIS STATEMENT HE TALKS ABOUT ABOUT THE TREMENDOUS DECLINE IN COAL MINERS IN VIRGINIA AND LINKS THAT TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HAD A COAL TAX CREDIT AND YET APPARENTLY IT HASN'T MANAGED TO KEEP UP THE NUMBER OF COAL MINERS. AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THE DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF COAL MINERS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAX CREDIT. IT HAS TO DO WITH ALL SORTS OF FEDERAL POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY AGGRESSIVE AND EXTREMELY ANTAGONISTIC TOWARDS THE COAL INDUSTRY. I THINK IT IS REGRETTABLE. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN I WAS GROWING UP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS A PARTY OF THE COAL MINES. THEY WERE THE PARTY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT OUT THERE AND LABORED AND SWEATED HARD AND THEY LOOKED TO THE DEMOCRATS AS THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD STAND UP FOR THEM AND REPRESENT THEM AND DEFEND THEM AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COAL MINES THE MINERS UNIONS, THEY WERE DEMOCRAT LABOR UNIONS. I A FEW YEARS AGO I HAD WORK TO DO DOWN IN SOUTHWEST AND THERE WAS A DEMOCRAT DELEGATE IN FOR A COUPLE OF SESSIONS. A WONDERFUL GUY AND WE WENT OUT AND HE WAS LIKE A ROCK STAR. I MEAN WE WENT IN TO A RESTAURANT. EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD KNEW THIS GUY. I THOUGHT THIS IS THE MOST POPULAR FELLOW I HAVE EVER SEEN. THEN THERE WAS AN ELECTION AND HE LOST. I SAID WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. HE SAID YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS A YOUNG REPUBLICAN OUT OF TEXAS WHO CAME IN AND HE SAID THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN YOUR COAL MINES AND HE SAID EVEN THOUGH I HAD THE UNIT THE MINE WORKERS WORKING MY CAMPAIGN AND I HAD BEEN A MEMBER OF THE MINE WORKERS, PEOPLE JUST SAID YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW I LIVE. THIS IS MY LIVELIHOOD, I CAN'T TAKE A RISK. HE SAID I COULD NOT CONVINCE ANYBODY OTHERWISE AND I LOST THAT ELECTION. AND IT IS A SHAME. AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YEARS AGO, WE DIDN'T -- IN THE HOUSE WE USED TO HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE MINING AND MINERAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE AND I WAS ON THAT COMMITTEE. AND WE WOULD GO DOWN TO SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND I REMEMBER LOOKING AT IT AND THE POVERTY LEVEL WAS ASTOUNDING. AND THEY SAID WELL, WE THINK WE HAVE GOT OVER 20% UNEMPLOYMENT BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT IS. IT IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN THAT. AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC RESOURCES FELLOW FOR THE COUNTY, I SAID GOSH, SAID IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU OUT, I SAID I WILL VOTE WITH SOUTHWEST. AND BACK THEN IT WAS ALL DEMOCRATS. EVERYTHING WAS DEMOCRAT DOWN THERE. AND I SAID BUT I WILL VOTE FOR YOU ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE. I SAID DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO GET THE ECONOMY GOING DOWN HERE? HE SAID WELL, SIR, HE SAYS OLD NUMBER TWO MINE, HE SAYS WE ARE HOPING TO GET THAT UP AND RUNNING AGAIN. AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT IS IT. I MEAN THERE IS MINING AND THAT IS IT. THAT IS THE ECONOMY. AND SO WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN MINE AFTER MINE AFTER MINE AFTER MINE. AND THEN WE WONDER WHY PEOPLE YOU KNOW WE DO TRAINING PROGRAMS FOR NONEXISTING JOBS AND THEY DO THAT FOR AWHILE. AND THEN THEY GO HOME AND THEN THEY START SITTING AROUND AND THE NEXT THING THEY ARE SHOOT MANAGER UP ON HEROIN AND WE GOT HEROIN DEATHS ALL OVER THE PLACE. WELL, I KNOW, OKAY, YOU SAY WELL, HERE WE GO. I AM SORRY, IT IS TRUE. PEOPLE WHO SIT AROUND AND HAVE NO WORK DO THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND IT HURTS THEM. BUT I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU, THAT IF WE CAN HELP THESE PEOPLE TO HANG ON AND GIVE THEM SOME HELP, I TELL YOU I WOULDN'T CARE IF EVERYBODY DOWN THERE WAS A DEMOCRAT AND VOTED 100% DEMOCRAT, I WOULD SUPPORT THEM. I DID BACK WHEN IT WAS 100% DEMOCRAT. AND I HAVEN'T CHANGED MY VIEW BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE IN GREAT NEED. SO, ANYWAY, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO OVERRIDE THE VETO.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE JUNIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO, SENATOR DUNNAVANT.

Sen. Siobhan Dunnavant (R-Henrico): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAK TO THE BILL.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Siobhan Dunnavant (R-Henrico): I WOULD SPEAK AGAINST THE GOVERNOR'S VETO AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT THIS AFFECTS ALL OF US AND REALLY ALL OF ARE OUR CONSTITUENTS. BY PROVIDING THESE COAL TAX CREDITS WE ARE ABLE OUR ELECTRICAL COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE ELECTRICITY THROUGH COAL PLANTS ARE ABLE TO BUY VIRGINIA GOAL, THEY GET COAL ANYWAY, THEY CAN BY VIRGINIA COAL AT A REDUCE THE RATE AND PASS THAT RATE DIRECTLY ON TO OUR CON AT THIS CONSTITUENTSWHICH THEY ARE BOUN. SO ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS BENEFIT FROM THE COAL TAX CREDITS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE BILL AS IT WAS INTRODUCED.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM FRANKLIN COUNTY, SENATOR STANLEY.

Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAK TO THE MEASURE.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Bill Stanley (R-Moneta): I RISE IN ON POSITION OF THE GOVERNOR'S VETO. AND I WILL THINK, OF COURSE, WITH WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCOURSE AND ARGUMENT BEFORE AND I WOULD JUST REACH OUT TO MY FRIENDS ACROSS THE AISLE AND ESPECIALLY EVERYONE HERE IN THIS THIS BODY THAT LIVES IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA WHERE THE IT PERCENT, HAMPTON ROADS, VIRGINIA PEACH, 2 ABOUTERS TO 4%. CLOSE YOUR EYES WITH ME. CLOSE YOUR EYES JUST FOR A SECOND AND IMAGINE TO YOURSELF WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAD UNEMPLOYMENT OF 12% TO 15%. CLOSE YOUR EYES RIGHT NOW. IMAGINE. NOT JUST IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE BUT ALSO IMAGINE WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW. YOU WOULD BE DOING EVERYTHING YOU COULD TO BRING TAX CREDITS, WHATEVER YOU COULD TO SAVE THE ECONOMY YOU HAD AND REVITALIZE THE ECONOMY IN YOUR AREA. YOU WOULD DO IT. AND SO WHEN MY FRIEND THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON STANDS HERE, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. THIS COAL TAX CREDIT IS A FIVE YEAR EXTENSION. FIVE YEARS. AND LORD KNOWS IN FIVE YEAR THES WHAT THIS BODY AND THE BODY ACROSS THE HALL WILL DO IN TRYING TO REVITALIZE THE ECONOMY. MAYBE WEEN OURSELVES OFF OF COAL BUT RIGHT NOW IS AT JUNIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO SAID REMOVING THE COAL TAX CREDIT IS GOING TO RAISE ELECTRIC PRICES AND IT DISPROPORTIONATELY WHEN YOU DO THAT AFFECTS THE PA ARE IN ALL AREAS. AND FOR SOME OF MY FRIENDS THAT DRIVE A PRIUS OR ELECTRIC CAR AND I THINK THAT IS CLEAN ENERGY THEY ARE DOING IT AND OFF THE GRID, REMIND MY FRIENDS WHEN THEY PLUG IN AT NIGHT THE MAGIC ELECTRIC GENIE DOES NOT COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND POUR IN JUST SOLAR ENERGY. THE COAL-FIRED POWER PLANTS THAT POWER YOUR CAR. YOU ARE NOT OFF THE GRID. BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS A PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT -- 15% UNEMPLOYMENT. A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT WHEN THE COAL MINER JOBS GO AWAY, TO SMALL BUSINESSES. LACK OF TAX REVENUE TO THE SCHOOLS AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE A GOOD EDUCATION FOR THE CHILDREN. IMAGINE NORTHERN VIRGINIA HAVING THAT KIND OF UNEMPLOYMENT WHAT WOULD YOU DO AND ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR BECAUSE WE ARE A COMMONWEALTH, MR. PRESIDENT, A COMMON WEALTH. NOT REGIONALLY DIVIDED UP INTO NORTHERN VIRGINIA, HAMPTON ROADS, SOUTH SIDE AND SOUTHWEST. WE MAY CALL OURSELVES THAT BUT WE ARE STILL VIRGINIA AND WHAT WE ARE ASKING HERE WHAT WE ARE ASKING HEAR FOR IS REASONABLE. AND REASONABLE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE NEED IT. MAYBE ONE DAY AS THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO SAYS, COAL WILL BE GONE. WELL, IT'S NOT. LET US NOT HARM THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELPED BUILD VIRGINIA WITH COAL. STARTED THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. GAVE THEIR LIVES SO THAT WE MAY HAVE THE MODERN THINGS THAT WE NOW ENJOY. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM CHESAPEAKE. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MAY I SPEAK TO THE MOTION? THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT AND MEMBERS OF THE SENATE. I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA WHEN THEY TAKE THIS VOTE. WE AT HAMPTON ROADS HAVE A GREAT DEAL TO LOSE IF THE COAL INDUSTRY IS FURTHER DAMAGED. YOU COULD SAY CSX, NORFOLK SOUTHERN, HAMPTON HAS A HUGE COAL FACILITY AS DOES NORFOLK. THERE ARE RAILROAD JOBS. THERE ARE PORT JOBS. THERE ARE MINING JOBS. BUT LANE, I -- BUT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN RAW FEELINGS ABOUT THIS. PUT THAT BEHIND US AND LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO THE PEOPLE OF VIRGINIA. BY LETTING THIS TAX CREDIT SUNSET, WE ARE ENDANGERING A NUMBER OF GOOD-PAYING JOBS IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND I UNDERSTAND IT HAS GONE FROM 10,000 TO 2946, BUT TO WE REALLY WANT TO DAMAGE THAT 2946 FURTHER? DO YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE 2946 MINERS CAN'T FEED THEIR FAMILIES? THEY CAN'T CLOTHE THEIR CHILDREN? I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT YOUR DISTRICTS, YOUR LOCALITIES AND WHETHER YOU ARE IN THE SENATE HERE OR GOING TO BE THIS CONGRESS, I WOULD SAY TO THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO, THERE ARE A LOT OF JOBS RESOLVING AROUND COAL IN THE FOURTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT AS IN THE THIRD, AS IN THE SECOND. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO JUST LOOK RIGHT IN YOUR DISTRICT. I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK FAR SOUTHWEST. TO THINK OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE VERY, VERY HURT BY THIS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, LET'S NOT MAKE THIS A PARTISAN ISSUE. LET'S MAKE THIS AN ISSUE ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY OF VIRGINIA AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO SO DESPERATE PLAY NEED THOSE JOBS IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND IN HAMPTON ROADS AND, INDEED, THROUGHOUT ALL OF VIRGINIA. PLEASE, PLEASE, PASS THIS TAX CREDIT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENIOR SENATOR, SENATOR SASLAW. MR. PRESIDENT, AND MEMBERS OF THE SENATE. FIRST OFF LET ME DISPEL ONE THING. THIS NORTHERN VIRGINIA DOESN'T DRIVE A PRIUS. I HAVE A REAL CAR, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND MY NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE A REAL CAR. ALL RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE -- THE TAX CREDITS THAT STARTED IN 1989, THE AS WAS POINTED OUT BY THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM HENRICO, THEY HAD OVER 11,000 EMPLOYEES AND THE DECLINE STARTED AROUND 1992 AND HAS BEEN GOING ON EVER SINCE. AND I WOULD ADD THAT THEY CONTINUED FROM 2001 TO 2009 WHEN YOU HAD AN EPA THAT WAS HEADED BY A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT AND A REPUBLICAN APPOINTEE. AND THAT DECLINE CONTINUED. I WOULD SAY IF ANYBODY HAS A COMPLAINT YOU MIGHT TALK TO THE SAUDIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DRIVEN THE PRICE OF PETROLEUM PRODUCTS DOWN TO A LOW LEVEL. NATURAL GAS IS A FAR BIGGER PROBLEM FOR THE COAL MINE INDUSTRY THAN WASHINGTON, D.C. THE PRICE OF THAT IS AS CHEAP AS CAN BE AND IT IS LIKELY TO STAY THAT WAY FOR SOME TIME TO COME. I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE INDIESTRY I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN. THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. TO SIT THERE AND BLAME THAT ON WASHINGTON, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO TURN THAT AROUND. NATURAL GAS IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO RULE THE DAY FOR SOME TIME TO COME. YOU SEE DOMINION IS CONVERTING HAS DONE VERTED A FAIR AMOUNT OF THEIR PLANTS FROM COAL TO NATURAL GAS. WILL IS A REASON FOR THAT AND THAT IS PRICE. YOU WANT CHEAP ELECTRIC RATES, OKAY, THEN GO WITH NATURAL GAS. AND I DON'T FAULT THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON FROM STICKING OUT AND TRYING TO HELP HIS AREA, OKAY. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY OVER HERE DOES. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO DO. I WOULD SAY THIS, I KNOW ONE WAY THAT THAT REGION CAN PROBABLY ADD 5,000 TO 6,000 JOBS OVERNIGHT, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, SO, BEFORE WE START -- BEFORE WE START WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IT IS CALLED EXPANSION OF MEDICAID THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I TELL YOU ALL THIS. YOU GOT 30,000 JOBS THAT WOULD BE CREATED AS A RESULT OF THAT AND THEY ALL WOULDN'T BE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA BUT A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY AN OUTSIZED NUMBER WOULD BE DOWN IN THAT REGION. SO, BEFORE WE BLAME AND START BLAMING WASHINGTON, D.C., THE GOVERNOR AND EVERYBODY ELSE THE FACT IS IT HASN'T WORKED. WE WERE TOLD AND I THINK THE PREDECESSOR OF SENATOR CARRICO WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THAT, SENATOR WOMPLER IN HIS FIRST YEAR HERE AND WE WERE TOLD IF WE PASSED THESE -- AND I REMEMBER THIS -- THAT THIS WOULD GROW THE INDUSTRY AND IT HASN'T GROWN THE INDUSTRY. THERE WERE A LOT OF EXTERNAL FORCES CHIEFLY OUTSIDE THE U.S. DRIVING THIS AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE IT FOR QUITE AWHILE. WE ARE A WORLDWIDE MARKET. SO, THE GOVERNOR IS RIGHT IN DOING WHAT HE IS DOING. AND SO THE POLITICS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, Y'ALL HEARD ME BEFORE ON THIS SO I WON'T GET INTO THIS AGAIN BUT THE GOVERNOR'S VETO SHOULD BE SUSTAINED. THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM ARLINGTON, SENATOR FAVOLA.

Sen. Barbara Favola (D-Arlington): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAKING TO THE ISSUE.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Barbara Favola (D-Arlington): WELL, I DO WANT MY FRIENDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT NOBODY IN THIS CHAMBER WANTS TO BE INSENSITIVE TO HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT AND ALL OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACT HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT HAVE ON FAMILIES, ON OUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN A QUALITY OF LIFE. THAT IS NOT OUR GOAL. AND I EVEN GET THE FACT THAT THE COAL TAX CREDIT ACTUALLY WERE AN ECONOMIC ENGINE PERHAPS AT ONE TIME. BUT WE HAVE INVESTED OVER $610 MILLION AND YET WE ARE HAVING A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF JOBS. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SOLUTION IS THERE IS NO REFORM AS PART OF IT. THE DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS COAL TAX CREDIT WOULD GO RIGHT BACK TO A DYING INDUSTRY. THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THESE DOLLARS BE USED FOR JOB TRAINING, THAT THERE BE A TRANSITION TO OUR -- A NEW ECONOMY, THAT YES, PEOPLE BE TRAINED FOR HEALTHCARE JOBS BECAUSE AT SOME POINT VIRGINIA WILL PARTICIPATE I AM SURE IN MEDICAID EXPANSION AT SOME POINT. I JUST HOPE I LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE DAY. SO THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES HERE AND YET THIS COAL TAX CREDIT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU ARE SO DESPERATELY ASKING FOR. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT MY VOTE AND I THINK THE VOTES ON THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE NOT MEANT TO BE INSENSITIVE OR DISRESPECTFUL OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PART OF OUR STATE BUT WE TO FIND A TOOL THAT WORKS. HAVING SAID THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, I ASK THAT THE CHAMBER SUPPORT THE GOVERNOR'S VETO SO THAT WOULD BE A RED VOTE.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM RUSSELL COUNTY, SENATOR CHAFIN.

Sen. Ben Chafin (R-Lebanon): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I RISE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNOR'S VETO.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Ben Chafin (R-Lebanon): AND I -- I FEEL THE FUTILITY OF STANDING HERE AND TALKING TO YOU. I FEEL IT IN MY HEART AND I CERTAINLY HAVE IT IN MY HEAD BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SENSITIVITY OR THE LACK THEREOF, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CONCEPT THAT DEALS IN POSITIVE CONCEPTS OR NEGATIVE CONCEPTS. AND YOU HAVE TWO CHOICES HERE. YES OR NO. RED OR GREEN. IT IS SIMPLE. WHEN YOU SAY NO, YOU ARE DEALING THE BLOW TO YOUR SISTER COMMUNITY, SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. NOW, IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE, OKAY. THERE IS NO -- I AM NOT SURPRISED THAT THE GOVERNOR VETOED THIS. I AM NOT A BETTING MAN BUT I WOULD HAVE BET HEAVY ON THAT. IT HAS NOT GOT TO DO WITH THE JOBS AND IT HAS NOT GOT TO DO WITH THE MONEY. IT HAS GOT TO DO WITH THE SITTING OVER IN THE CORNER WHICH IS COAL, OKAY. THIS WHOLE ISSUE IS ABOUT THE COAL INDUSTRY AND THE DESIRE OF THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION AND THE DESIRE OF THIS GOVERNOR TO WEAKEN IT AND OR DESTROY IT. THAT IS JUST A FACT. AND IF ANY OF YOU CAN TELL SOME OTHER WAY, AND GET THROUGH THE PEARLY GATES I AM GLAD FOR YOU, OKAY. BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. NOW, WE HAVE A SITUATION HERE WHERE IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA WE ARE IN DIRE STRAITS. THERE IS NO QUESTION WE ARE IN DIRE STRAITS. THINGS ARE GOING DOWNHILL AND THEY ARE GOING DOWNHILL QUICK. AND YOU HAVE GOT AN ABILITY TO VOTE IN A POSITIVE WAY THAT WILL SLOW DOWN PART OF THE BLEED. IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE REALLY TO UNDERSTAND. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND EACH OF YOU THAT I VOTED IN SUPPORT AS MYSOSTS CITY COUNCILS AND MY COMMENTS -- MY ASSOCIATES AND COMMENTS WITH SENATOR CARRICO WITH REGARD TO THE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE WITH YOUR TRANSPORTATION AND I EVEN VOTED IN SUPPORT OF THE MONEY WHICH IS BEING SPENT AT DULLES AIRPORT. $50 MILLION. GIVE ME A WRECK. A BREAK. $50 MILLION FOR AN ENTIRE AIRPORT AND YOU CAN'T HELP AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY HERE? I DON'T REGRET IT BUT I VOTED AGAINST THE CHANGE OF THE OR THE CON CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WITH REGARD TO CHARTER SCHOOLS. THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR COULD HAVE FIXED FOR YOU. BUT I STOOD UP AND I DID WHAT I FELT WAS THE RIGHT THING. AND I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IF YOU ALL DON'T DO WHAT YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART IS THE RIGHT THING HERE OVER POLITICS. I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED ABOUT THAT. AND AS I INDICATED TO YOU BACK WHEN WE HAD THAT -- THAT -- THAT LONG EVENING OF SPEECHES, THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN SAY ABOUT THIS AND THE ONLY EFFORT THAT I CAN MAKE AND MY COLLEAGUES FROM SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA CAN MAKE, AND THOSE COLLEAGUES THAT I CAN BEND AN EAR TO CAN MAKE, IS THIS LITTLE BUTTON HERE, OKAY. EVERYBODY IS GOING TO NEED THINGS DOWN THE ROAD, TOO. EVERYBODY. BUT THIS OLD COUNTRY BOY HAS LEARNED A LESSON, LEARNED A LESSON AT YOUR HANDS THIS IS THE WAY THINGS GO. AND I HAVE GOT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, OKAY. LEARNED A LESSON AND ILE NOT HAVE IT REPEATED. THANK YOU.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM WESTERN FAIRFAX COUNTY, SENATOR MARSDEN.

Sen. Dave Marsden (D-Burke): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SPEAK TO THE MEASURE.

[Unknown]: THE SENATOR HAS THE FLOOR.

Sen. Dave Marsden (D-Burke): THE GOVERNOR ASKED FOR SIMPLE ACCOMMODATIONS. TO BE ABLE TO NOT ISSUE THIS VETO. THE LAST WORD ON THIS WAS NO. DIDN'T COME FROM FROM THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE. CAME FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE. SIMPLE ACCOMMODATIONS SO HOW IMPORTANT COULD THIS COAL TAX CREDIT BE IF YOU TURN DOWN A SIMPLE ACCOMMODATION AND WEIGH ALL KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. AND SAY NO. LAST WORD, WAS NO. AND IT DIDN'T COME FROM THIS SIDE. CAME FROM OVER THERE. THANK YOU.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM ROANOKE COUNTY. SENATOR SUETTERLEIN.

Sen. David Suetterlein (R-Salem): MR. PRESIDENT, I HONESTLY DID NOT INTEND TO SPEAK AT ALL ABOUT THIS. BUT WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT POLITICAL EVENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STATE, RELATING TO MY OWN BILL ABOUT PARTISANSHIP THE GOVERNOR SAID I AM A LOYAL EYE RAWMAN AND HONESTLY IF YOU HELP ME I W ILL HELP YOU. WE KNOW WHAT THE ELECTION RETURNS WERE IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA IN 2013. AND NOW WE ARE TOLD THAT IF YOU JUST MAKE THIS ACCOMMODATION THIS TRANSACTION, WE CAN HELP THOUSANDS OF FOLKS OF SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND KEEP THEIR JOBS THERE. HE WAS WILLING TO USE $2 MILLION OF TAXPAYER FUNDS TO MOVE JOBS OUT OF THE ROANOKE VALLEY TO HAMPTON ROADS BECAUSE HE SAID IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THOSE JOBS STAY IN THE STATE. I DON'T THINK THAT $2 MILLION OF TAXPAYER FUNDS SHOULD HAVE BEEN USED TO MOVE JOBS FROM MY PART OF THE STATE TO ANOTHER PART OF THE STATE BUT I CAN SEE WHAT HE IS TRYING TO ARGUE. BUT NOW WE ARE HEARING WELL, IF I COULD GET MY WAY, ON A PREROGATIVE OF THE LEGISLATURE IF THEY WOULD GIVE UP THE PREROGATIVE SO I COULD HAVE MY WAY THEN I WILL SUPPORT A POLICY THAT I KNOW WILL SUSTAIN THOUSANDS OF JOBS IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA. AND IT IS NOT JUST THE JOBS IN THE SENATOR FROM RUSSELL OR THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON'S DISTRICT. MY DISTRICTS TOUCH THEIR DISTRICTS. THEY LIVE MORE THAN 100 MILES AWAY AT CLOSEST WAY AND REALISTICALLY MORE THAN 200 MILES AWAY BUT THERE IS FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT THAT WILL BE HIT BY THIS HARD. I KEEP BE REMIND I AM A VERY LITTLE IRISHMAN AND HONEST ANY WILL YOU ARE HELPING ME I AM HELPING YOU AND I AM DISAPPOINTED HE IS WILLING TO DO THAT TO THE FOLKS OF SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, THE SENATOR FROM BUCKINGHAM, SENATOR GARRETT.

Sen. Tom Garrett (R-Lynchburg): I ASK THE FOLLOWING ROBOTIC . ONE LOSS OF A UNSHIP SPURRED SUCH BITTERNESS THAT IT UNDERGROOVES THE DECISION RESPONSIBLE FOR DESTROYING THE INCOMES OF 2900 FAMILIES AND AN ENTIRE WAY OF LIFE? HUH? OH, GOSH. MR. PRESIDENT, SO I THINK WHEN I HEARD WAS BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR DIDN'T GET HIS WAY ON ONE JUDGESHIP WE ARE GOING TO COMPROMISE 2900 FAMILY INCOMES AN ENTIRE WAY OF LIFE AND A DECISION THAT I THINK HE ARTICULATED WAS BASED ON RETRIBUTE. WOW. THAT IS ALL. WOW.

[Unknown]: THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON, SENATOR CARRICO.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK.

[Unknown]: IT IS MY ERROR. THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON TO SPEAK. THE SENATOR FROM NORTHERN FAIRFAX COUNTY, SENATOR HOWE.

Sen. Janet Howell (D-Reston): I WASN'T ALSO PLANNING TO SPEAK -- SENATOR HOWELL.

[Unknown]: I PUT IN THE REQUEST TO JLACC TO TO STUDY THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS TAX CREDIT. IT SHOWED IT DOESN'T WORK. IT DOESN'T WORK. IT DOESN'T GET THE OUTCOME THAT WAS HOPED FOR. IT DOESN'T SAVE JOBS AND CERTAINLY DOESN'T CREATE JOBS. IT IS JUST THROWING MONEY DOWN THE COAL MINE. THERE ARE THINGS WE COULD BE DOING WITH THAT MONEY THAT WOULD HELP SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS ALMOST NEVER WHAT WE TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE GET WRAPPED AROUND THIS TAX CREDIT THAT DOESN'T WORK. BUT I THINK THE THING THAT IS OFFENDING ME NOW AND THE REASON I STOOD UP TO SPEAK IS WE ARE HEARING ABOUT THIS WILL SAVE THE JOBS, IT WILL HELP THESE FAMILIES. THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, THE MONEY GOES TO THE SHARE HOLDERS IT DOESN'T GO TO THE EMPLOYEES AND WHAT IS THE COMPANY LOOKING TO DO NOW? REDUCE PENSIONS. REDUCE PENSIONS. SO I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WE VOTE NO ON THIS VOTE. THANK YOU.

Sen. Janet Howell (D-Reston): THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE SENATOR FROM GRAYSON, SENATOR CARRICO.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AND IF NO ONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAN UP HERE.

[Unknown]: YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

Sen. Bill Carrico (R-Grayson): I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MISSING THE OVERALL POINT OF THE COAL TAX CREDIT. I DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE UNDERSTANDS THE WIDE VIEW OF WHAT THIS TAX CREDIT DOES. IT IS NOT ONLY JOB CREATION. BUT IT IS ALSO THE ABILITY TO SUSTAIN THOSE JOBS TO BE ABLE TO MINE THOSE LOW-SEAM COAL AREAS THAT ARE NOT AS PRODUCTIVE AND NOT AS CONSIDER NOT THE ABILITY TO DO WHAT WHENEVER THE COAL PRICES ARE DOWN AND REFERRING TO THE STUDIES THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO SUSTAIN THE COAL MINES DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME TO MINE THE LOW-SEAM COAL AREAS IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA AND THE LOWER COST OF ENERGY WHENEVER WE HAVE COAL THAT IS BEING PRODUCED AND BOUGHT IN VIRGINIA, THERE IS A TAX CREDITS THAT ARE GIVEN AND IT KEEPS THE COST OF ENERGY DOWN FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS AND IT DOES THAT ALL ACROSS VIRGINIA. AND THE COAL PORTS THAT ARE UTILIZING THIS COAL OR SHIPPING THE COAL OUT ARE BENEFITING FOR IT, TOO. AND THE OTHER THING IS COAL IS ONE OF THE ONLY SOURCES TO SUPPLY POWER ON DEMAND AND WHEN WE ARE SEEING SUCH LONG COLD SNAPS COAL POWER IS THE ONE THAT IS UTILIZED TO DO THAT. AND PEDIATRIC TOOLS BEING USED BY PEDIATRIC NEUROLOGISTS COAL IS USED IN THAT. SO I WOULD JUST SAY TO THE BODY THAT THERE IS A WIDE ARRAY OF THINGS IN VIRGINIA THAT THE COAL TAX CREDIT IS BENEFICIAL TOO, EVERYONE THAT IS IN THIS BODY AND AS THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE JUDGE, LOOK, I HAVE NO REGRETS FOR WHAT I SAID. THAT IS MY CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO LOOK AT THE JUDGES AND MAKE THAT DECISION BASED UPON WHAT I BELIEVE IS RIGHT AND IF THIS WAS A NEGOTIATING TOOL OF THE DULLES AIRPORT $50 MILLION INVESTMENT IN COAL TAX CREDIT, MY OPINION WOULD HAVE BEEN TOTALLY DIFFERENT. WHEN IT COMES TO MY CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY AS A LEGISLATOR I AM GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT IT IN A SEENOUS MANNER AND YES, I DID -- SERIOUS MANNER. AND YES I DID SAY NO, AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I WANTED TO JEOPARDIZE THIS. IT WAS THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ETHICAL TO GO THAT ROUTE OF A CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY THAT I HAVE. I HOPE IT WILL BE THE PLEASURE OF THE BODY TO PASS THE BILL.

Del. Bill Howell (R-Fredericksburg): THANK YOU, SENATOR. THE QUESTION IS SHALL THE BILL PASS IN ENROLLED FORM NOT WITHSTANDING THE OBJECTIONS OF OF THE GOVERNOR. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WILL.